Tuesday, June 28, 2005

A commentary on one small verse.

Proverbs 19:2 says:
It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way.

While I was on my way to a family outing, I read my bible in the car and thought about this. And I wrote my thoughts down and wanted to share them with you, because I think God gave me something that all of us can apply. But do not think that I am telling you what to do, this is just to make you think.

Enthusiasm is good, enthusiasm for knowing the Lord; but if we take matters into our own hands and do what we think God wants us to do, without first finding out what God actually wants, then we miss the point. Serving God is about doing what He wants, when He wants is, not what we want or what we think He wants. The timing of our obedience is also crucial. Note that the proverb says: zeal without knowledge. The Israelites acted without knowledge here and because of that they doubted the Lord. Then they were punished for it here. The Israelites naturally have one of their characteristic pity parties, crying about their mistakes. Then they decide that they're going to obey God. But they received a warning, which they disobeyed, and then Moses' prediction comes true: They disobeyed God, even though they thought they were obeying him, and thus they were punished for it. The lesson here is that delayed obedience is really disobedience. Now, Jesus seems to contradict this here, and my interpretation of that is that delayed obedience is better than no obedience, but true obedience is best. But who can say that that is always true? It isn't. God may give us the opportunity to witness to somebody, and we will probably decide that we don't want to do it right then. Maybe if the other person lucks out we get to it later. But that means that we wasted the moment that God gave us. That person's heart and mind would have been most receptive in that moment, that's why God wanted us to do it then. But if we miss the moment, then it may not have the results that God planned for.

So, then, what is the answer? What can we as a youth group do to help our ministry become more fruitful? Well, first, I will speak to the couples, and if anyone reads and doesn't like what I say, I challenge you to have a response that says why this idea will not work. (And I say in advance that if you have a problem with it, then it means that you really don't want to do it, you really don't care about those lost and going to hell around you, and you're not willing enough to make the sacrifice necessary to serve God whole-heartedly.

Couples:
1.Stop placing such a high priority on so called "quality time" that mostly consists of watching movies, eating out, talking, or making out. Who does that benefit? Absolutely nobody. Daily quiet times matter, but if that's where your Christian life stops, then your Christian life has stopped indeed. Christianity is supposed to be all day, every day, not when we feel like it, not when our boyfriend or girlfriend is not around, not when we're not working, not when we don't like somebody. We are always under all circumstances called by God to be the same kind of person at all times, showing them how devoted we are to studying the scriptures to become more like Jesus and to serve God wholeheartedly. Don't ever say something 'Christian' to make your other happy, because that's what you think they want to hear. Rather, serve God first, and be honest in front of him and your other, because you can't lie to God. So start serving God first, and be willing to go through the doghouse if that's what it takes.
2. Stop persecuting the other. Stop calling and making a nuisance of yourself if your other is trying to do something for the Lord. Are you trying to be first in his or her life? That's not where we belong. At the absolute highest, we should be second in his or her life, and that's only after marriage. Before that, we need to be further down the ladder. God, ministry, and family should all come between you and your other until marriage.
3. Get more comfortable around our same sex. Until we are married to our boyfriend or girlfriend, we are still only brother's and sister's in God's eyes. Therefore, we should still spend more time with our own sex than that of the other one. Otherwise, we will have no ministry because we will have no connection to the people that God wants us to minister too.

4. Understand that Satan's most powerful weapon for persecution will be to use the other to persecute us. Who has the most influence on you? The other. So if Satan can convince your other that they're not being selfish when they ask or make demands of your time, then he's succeeded in keeping you from doing something that God may have wanted you to do. That's why it's so important to have a properly balanced Christian life, one that does not revolve around the other. Who do you plan your day around? God, or your other? Does God get a little time in the morning before work? Maybe a couple minutes spent in prayer before bed? Or should it be the other way around? Should God get most of the day, so we have so much ministry going on that five-15 minutes is all the other is able to get? Does this seem impossible? It only is if you make it so for your other...

Singles:
1. Do you take your faith to work?
I didn't ask if you took your bible to work, I asked if you take your faith to work. There is a difference. McDonald's employees are probably used to seeing Lewis and I's bible sitting around. Any effect that they may have made is probably lost. So, Lewis and I need to sit down and talk about how we can continue to minister in McDonald's. Do you do the same? Are you a Christian at your job? Do you care about making a difference amongst the coworkers that God placed you with?

2. Sacrifice more time. You do not have a boyfriend or girlfriend to please, so the bible says that you are able to devote yourself completely to God. Spend time in prayer, spend time reading God's word. Volunteer to do things. Don't just sit ther like a lump on a log letting other people run everything. God has something for everybody to do, and you can serve God being single.

3. Be content. Be content with what God has given you. God may or may not have called you to be single for life, but He has called you to be single for right now. So be content, and serve Him until He gives you something better.

4 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is probably just me, but all of that is probably what is keeping people away.

People don't need other people ragging them for not going someplace that is optional. Everytime they miss a Sunday or a Tuesday, I'm pretty sure they don't need, or want, five or six phone calls asking them what was more important than listening to a drum that has been beaten to death.

An 18 year old shouldn't have to ask three different leaders' permission to take a ride home from someone of the opposite sex.

Most likely than not, if someone has been attending for more than a year and they miss a Sunday or Tuesday night, it isn't a big deal! The big deal is what the group makes it out to be.

"Oh! Those two are going out and they aren't here tonight... I wonder what they're doing?"

"They spent how long alone? Fifteen minutes?!"

"This is not sleep together time!"

If they have been there a year or more and if you guys have been doing your mission. Then they already know what they are doing.

OK. Maybe sin is keeping them from church. But you can't keep thumping their heads and hoping that they will come back. Try something new, be creative.

If they are a Christian then they already know that they are in sin. Don't confront them about it. Be their friend, don't run them off.

It's like telling a smoker that they should stop smoking. There is a very good chance that the smoker knows that what they are doing is harmful to their health. If you keep badgering the smoker eventually that smoker is not going to want to see you, much less consort with you.

If the plank is removed from your eye so that you might see the speck, you should build some amount of trust with the individual before you consider an attempt to remove the speck.

Why should or would a minor acquaintance to whom you rarely speak pay any heed to any kind of criticism that you have towards them? What are you to them?

Teenagers hardly listen to their parents. If you aren't even their friends why would they change their behavior.


Just a friendly reminder from your neighborhood lurker.

Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I apologize that I had to cut my comment short due to time constraints.

I will now analyze your posts.

"I believe that someday, when we have to give an account to the one who judges the living and the dead, He'll ask us the same questions that that people we know already ask us. And since we won't have any other answer, we'll have to answer with the same excuses that we told ourselves and our Christ family members and leaders. "I was eating with my parents. I had to work. Work called me in. I had to spend time with so and so. I forgot what time it was. I had something come up that wasn't planned.""

What I don’t understand is why you are portraying any of those things as bad? It isn’t your place to tell them what is and is not acceptable in relation to missing youth group. Tell them in a message that going to meetings should come first. Back it up with scripture.

Don’t criticize them for doing something harmless. If you do their excuses won’t be “I was eating with my parents” it will be “I didn’t want them to come down on me for spending time with my family.” In my opinion the latter is a much better excuse for not attending and you are the ones giving it to them.

"If you have something going on that keeps you from doing things, then I suggest that you cut it out. Quit."

Yes, quit your job. Stop going to school. Don't play any sports. Don't be a normal human being. If they can't do any of that who will they witness to? You? Me? The other saved people at the youth group?

Things come up. People have lives. Just because they don't make it every night doesn't mean that they aren't praying wherever they are.

"Proverbs 19:2 says:
It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way."


Is common sense a form of knowledge?

"If everyone was a believer than why are we now sitting at an attendance of 4-10 when we were having 18-27 as an average."

In my opinion that is a great thing. If everyone is a believer then wherever they are they could be witnessing. Not sitting in a cellar discussing what they most likely already know:

"We really need to reach this town." "God has big plans for us." "The people in this town are hurting."

The people in the cellar are hurting too. Maybe if you'd worry about their hurts then there would be more of you to worry about the town.

"But do not think that I am telling you what to do, this is just to make you think."

But later in the post give them seven commands in large bold letters.

Couples 1
"Stop placing such a high priority on so called "quality time" that mostly consists of watching movies, eating out, talking, or making out."

You got that plank out of your eye?

Couples 2
Stop calling and making a nuisance of yourself if your other is trying to do something for the Lord.

Stop all communication because if they are that focused on the Lord a five minute conversation will lose that focus.

Couples 3

I think all of this revolved around faulty logic.

Couples 4

Is this advice good to use for all relationships? No. Fifteen minutes a day with your significant other will not be enough time to tell you whether or not they are the one you want to marry.

Singles 1

Make some friends before you consider ministering. Or they will ignore you and shoot you down.

Singles 2

You can serve God with a boyfriend or girlfriend as well.

Singles 3

Are you alluding that something better is a relationship that you are so very wary of?


I admit that I am a bad Christian. I also admit that nothing that you wrote inspired me to become a better one. I think you are coming down way too hard.

Love the sinner. Leave the sin alone. God will take care of that.


Just a friendly reminder from your neighborhood lurker.

Thursday, June 30, 2005 12:01:00 PM  
Blogger Rebecca Lynne said...

To "neighborhood lurker" or better known as anonymous,
there are many things that I would like to talk to you about and help you to better understand what Eric and Lewis are talking about, however I believe that they will explain your questions and comments better than I could. I just want to say a few things. No one is perfect, except God, and everyone sins. I also want to say that when I read Eric's post titled A COMMENTARY ON ONE SMALL VERSE, I felt convicted and I thought he was talking about me and our relationship. But when I talked to him about it later, he said that he did not have anyone specifically in mind, but if I did feel convicted then it must have been God speaking through Eric's words to get to me. But let me be honest, Eric and I's relationship is not perfect and we do make mistakes. We went through this phase a couple months after we started dating that our whole lives revolved around the other and God was near by watching as we kept drifting farther and farther from Him. We've grown much closer to God since then, but I will admit that there are times that I want Eric to focus most of his attention on me, which in result gives him absolutely NO time for ministry/ outreach, and it also takes away from his time that he was going to spend having a quiet time, praying, devotions, or working on leadership training. And I know that if I stop being so selfish and sacrifice my time so that he can focus on Godly things, that God will bless it - no matter how hard it may be on me. (It is hard to sacrifice something that you love, examples: spending time with your significant other, talking to them on the phone often, cuddling while watching movies, going out to eat, or even making out.) God wants us Christians to WANT to be like Him. How can we be more like him if we dont sacrifice the thing we love the most? (I'm not telling you to kill the person you love the most.)He loved His ONLY son to die for us sinners. He sacrificed SO much; is it too much to ask to sacrifice some time NOT spent with our significant other and to spend it with God instead? God also wants us to give Him our all in serving Him. How can we serve Him, when we are always serving our significant other and serving God? Let me tell you, in my opinion it is a very hard thing to do when your in a relationship, but that is why God also wants people who are single to serve Him, because it is much easier to serve God when you dont have someone who maybe distracting you from Him.

That is all that I have to say for now. You, "neighborhood lurker", are a smart person and bring up some interesting points. If there is one thing I ask of you, it is to re-read these last 3 posts written by Eric and Lewis and the comments written, but as you re-read them keep your eyes, ears, and heart open to anything that God may be trying show you or speak to you. I also love you as a sister in Christ. If you want to talk more about this or anything I am open to whatever you want to talk about. You know how to contact me.

Friday, July 01, 2005 11:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok I'm going to have agree with "anonymous" on a lot of this. Pretty much all of this. In fact, I can't really think of anything off hand to despute with "anonymous". While I see Eric's points on somethings, "anonymous" hit the nail on the head. I feel your delivery is way too strong & rather than it being encouragaing, which I'm sure is what you intended. after all, that's what God calls us to do, it instead was a turn-off. And its not due to the fact that its convicting. I fully agree with Rebecca that conviction is good for the soul. Its the Spirit opening our eyes to what we need to change in order to let His light shine through. But the result of your conviction is crutial. Because conviction can also backfire. It can cause you to feel paraized & unable to be better & therefor you don't even bother trying. And I feel your delivery may leave that kind of feeling. And I don't think "anonymous" is over-analizing. I just think he or she is taking it the way it appears to be presented. I think a lot of what Eric wants to say could be recived a lot better if he didn't seem so uncompassionate. I'm sorry that may be too strong of a word because I know that he can be a compassionate person, I'm just saying this post didn't demonstate very much compassion. And that is very important to have not just for the non-believers but the believers as well. In fact, wasn't it Pastor Dave who once gave a lesson in the importance of showing love & compassion to our brothers & sisters? I truly believe that the intentions of this post was for the good. No doubt about that. But I think if you keep up like this you'll have more responces like the ones from "anonymous" than the positive ones that you were hoping for. Again, not that I think "anonymous" was negitive, cause as I said I agree with him or her. God bless!

Friday, July 08, 2005 3:17:00 PM  

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